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Originally Posted by arlubas
^ Hoop Dreams II, surpassing Man on Fire, dude we all liked Prodigies but what you're saying is just plain fanboy-ism. The mix hasn't been out for even a month and you're comparing it to all time classics. Let's just wait and see if it stands the test of time first and then start mentioning it among the pillars of what we call basketball related works, shall we?
PS: Not trying to diss you or anything but I can't just see such praises being thrown away and not saying anything.
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Did I get carried away? Yes. I am easily excitable.
But I stand by my comments. I feel the need to explain myself:
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I remember when we were talking about Vincentda's Man on Fire and I was amazed at how multi-layered it was and how you could rewatch it and always find something new. Well, in that sense the four of you surpassed that. Each time I watch Prodigies, I find a new appreciation for some aspect of the mix. The fact that ten people can watch Prodigies, and those ten people can come away with ten completely different perspectives on what this mix was about is what makes this great.
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Man on Fire...anyone can watch it and understand what the initial message of the mix was. The main plot of the mix was simple. The underlying subplots is what you can find on repeat viewings. The first time I watched Prodigies...I had this "is that it? What the hell did I just watch...not at all what i expected" feeling. The message that they are trying to convey is not evident. It is ridiculously multi-layered. There could be as many as 8 or 9 different messages that they went for. Like you said...
views. I can say with confidence, that in that regard, Prodigies is superior.
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In some ways, it felt like I was watching Hoop Dreams II.
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What I found tragic about Hoop Dreams was how much these kids sacrified to make it big in the NBA ...and yet they never did. In Prodigies, you see these cocky, starry-eyed kids who have ful-filled the dream that those kids would have killed for, put themselves into a position where the hype is so great that it could ultimately destroy them. In Hoop Dreams, we see those kids mature over a six year period. In Prodigies, we see these kids mature on a much smaller scale over a longer period of time.
That is what I meant. I did not mean that Prodigies was any where near the quality of Hoop Dreams.
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And lol...I find it hard not to be at least mildly offended when someone suggests that my comments were not meaningful and were made merely because I am friends with Venom. This is a comment to the four of them, with many references to my conversations with Venom (I can't help that).
Make no mistake, I do have some criticisms of Prodigies, but I have to continue to remind myself that they had a ten minute time limit, and that it was a collab. Immediately after I watched Prodigies I was asking Venom how come they didn't do this, or how come they didn't do that. I would have loved to have seen them delve into the "redemption period" more than they did. I also feel that if only one of them had made the mix with all of the ideas that they pooled together, the storyline may have been more cohesive. But that's a variable...the mix could be ridiculously different if that had been the cast. So I left that out.
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Originally Posted by Imadogg
Lol shutup. Him and venom are like machine and kobe... BFFs.
This was funny though: I feel like we will never see another mix of this magnitude again.
Wait a bit til you say something like that, because if mixing is indeed evolving, we should see guys in the future who are mixmaking prodigies who can top the legends in this thread. And we should all wish that happens, and hope the future keeps getting better.
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Christ, real ballbreakers you too are ;-)
Magnitude...yes. I have serious doubts anyone will have the ambition or enough understanding of the story that they are telling to be able to weave together a mix this saturated with symbology. Imo...that's a legitimate statement. I know, never say never.