[Nba 2k7]The Post Move Tutorial Parts 1 - 3 by Sovartus

[yungflo]

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Originally Posted by Sovartus

Alright, I can't sit on this information any longer. Maybe this will help some of you become more sim and less cheese. Well it might create more cheese but oh well.


Let me know what you think.


The Post Game Tutorial
Part One: Post Physics and the Triple Threat
By Sovartus

First I’d like to say thanks to the guys who have given me my props. I have mastered everything about this game except for a few areas and hope this helps many of you who have asked me for it. Now, plug in two controllers and go into practice mode, select two post players, position them both in the post so you can learn and practice.


To begin, you must know that the post game is for people who play simulation style basketball. If you run n’ gun it won’t be anywhere near as effective. In order to create the space and situations to pull these off you need to learn a few plays that create low/high post opportunities. These are normally labeled in the playbook and include plays like: PF Post, Block to Block C, Post PF-SF, C Flash Post, etc.


So let’s get to the steak and potatoes, how do you do it? The post moves can be difficult to pull off at times so you need to create one on one post situations. Smaller guards coming down to strip you during your move or double teams are your enemy. People CAN NOT take charges against any of the post moves except for one, the Up and Under Lay-up. However, the charge button can be used effectively to remove you from the back down animation, which can mess up your ability to begin your post move.

The best places to initiate post moves are; the low block (notice that it is far from the baseline), anywhere in the paint, and anywhere on the foul line (for the fade-away, U&U lay-up, and turn around jumpers).

Understanding the Post Physics
How you do post moves are relative to the player’s position on the court. Think of your left and right stick as a compass and the goal is always North.

North (the basket)
UP

LEFT / RIGHT

DOWN

When I say press up on the stick, it means towards the goal and left, right, and down change according to where up (the basket) is. ATTENTION: if you don’t get this concept, you will never do post moves so stop reading now and go play. Just kidding, read it until you understand it.
Example: if you are backing someone down diagonally up and to the left, down is now diagonally down to the right, left is diagonally down to the left, and right is diagonally up and to the right. Get it?


The Space Create Lean/ Bump and the Triple Threat
The most important thing to know about this move is when you pass the ball to a player, don’t move. When the defender initiates contact you can begin the move. You can also wait until the player goes into his call for the ball in the post animation. When you pass the ball to your post player hold the right trigger, then the left trigger and press down on the left stick. Remember, the post player must have his back to the basket and the defender must initiate the contact. The player will do either the lean or the bump depending on the situation. You don’t have control over which he does.

To front a player from the post up and move into the triple threat you do the same thing as the Space Create except you tap the left stick up. This will make him turn around to front the defender. Quicker post players like KG and Chris Bosh are hard to stop from the triple threat and there are 4 triple threats to use; step back ball protect, jab step, step over, and the shimmy. These are extremely effective and really under used.
You can use the triple threat with any player anywhere on the court; we will stick with the post.

Once you have fronted the defender or if you just caught the ball and already facing him continue to hold the right and left triggers. Now you have activated the triple threat and can initiate the animations.
Down: protect the ball
Left: Shimmy
Right: jab step
These three allow you to go left or right out of the animation to blow by a defender. It’s great because the defender doesn’t know which way you are going to go. You can combine this with the hop step to get into the lane, spin move to go to the goal, or anything else you can think of. Possibilities are limitless.

Up is the step over it only allows you to create a little space to pull a jumper. This is VERY effective with fade-away shooters like Kobe and Vince. Yes, Kobe and Vince have very high low post ratings and kill smaller guards that way.

Ok, you have a little to chew on. Practice this because it’s a lot to digest in the beginning.

Coming soon:

Part Two: Basic Post Moves

Part Three: Advanced Post Moves

Part Four: Understanding Your Post Player

[yungflo]

Originally Posted by Sovartus

The Post Game Tutorial
Part Two: Basic Post Moves
By: Sovartus


So you think you are ready to start abusing people in the post now huh? Well, if you haven’t read part one of this tutorial, you may as well stop reading and start there. Without the fundamental physics, you can’t perform any of these moves.

First thing you need to know is that any player can perform post moves. It doesn’t matter who it is, from your weakest, shortest PG to your strongest, tallest C. The thing to understand is that 2K has a few attributes you need to take into consideration when you are attempting them.
1. Low Post Offense- The higher the LPO score is, the better chance they will have at pulling off a successful post move.
2. Lay-up – Many of the moves end with lay-ups so a high lay-up score will be needed to finish.
3. Dunk- Power moves need to be finished strong and dunks are as strong as you can get. When you attempt a power move, weak players end up rejected or just plain miss.
4. Close Shooting- attempts in the paint (most of your post shots)
5. Mid range shooting- Jumper and fade away shooters, and triple threat players

This helps you determine who to post up and who not to. We will talk more about this in Part 4: Understanding Your Post Player.

Alright, let’s get to it. You excited? Yeah, I know me too.

Basic post moves are the hook shot, roll right, roll left, the fade away, and the drop step. Some players have player specific post packages. I’ll go over some of those at the end of this section.

The Hook Shot

This is probably the most under used post move in the game. Players like Tim Duncan,Yao Ming, and Ilgauskas rely on the hook a lot in their game. Use it, it works.

To shoot a hook: Start to back the defender down and press up on the right stick (according to Post Physics) and the player will fire he hook. Positioning is extremely important on hooks. The best hooks are shot from just above the low block and in the paint. Remember, you need to still have the correct release point for the shot.







Roll Left and Roll Right

This is an effective move for the low blocks and splitting potential double teams. Only side effect of the roll is it relies on the player’s lay-up rating to finish. This is great for guards like Vince and Kobe but most big men don’t have high lay up ratings.

The most important thing to remember about pulling it off is the position of the defender. You want to roll to the opposite side the defender is playing you on. By doing this, your roll will put him in a position where he can’t block your shot.

To roll: Back the defender down and press and hold right on the right stick to roll right or left to roll left. Simple huh? Not really. You still have to time the release of the lay-up and in traffic, that’s not easy to do. Rolling the wrong way can almost guarantee you a miss.

The Fade Away

This move can either make you or break you. Players like Dirk, Tim Duncan, and KG can use this like clock work if you do it right. Vince, Michael Redd, and Kobe, well I have two words for you, bread and butter. They will absolutely kill you with this I’ll explain why in Part Four.

The fade away is most effective when there is a miss match height wise (like Dirk and anyone) or if you have a bank shooter like Timmy or Dwade.

To do a Fade away: Back your defender down and press and hold down on the right stick until you are ready to release the shot. NOTE: Fade away shot timing is different than normal and changes often so don’t try to master a fade shot timing.


The Drop Step

The drop step on this year’s game is really weak in my opinion. It can be effective but you have to know how to use it right. 2K had the drop step in 2K6 and it was a beast. In 2k7 it seems like they didn’t finish the programming of it or something. Now when you drop step someone, you have to pause to finish your move and it wasn’t like that last year.
Another bad thing about it is that power players will seldom dunk afterwards, they will typically do a little weak lay up or baby hook.

The best time to use a drop step is when you have a person so close to the basket, you can taste it but far enough that you won’t step too far under the goal. I had Yao punch on Tim Duncan once from a drop step……. it was nasty.

To drop step: back your defender down and quickly tap the Y button once. Pause for a second for him to gather himself and then do what ever you can that close to the basket.

It works; I just don’t like it like I did last year. It isn’t the same.


Special Packages

There are a few post players that have special basic post moves. The ones I know of are:

Yao Ming
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
These two have the same package. They will do a Sky Hook instead of a fade away when closer to the basket. Their Advanced Post moves are a little different too.
Note: The online roster update released by 2K messed up Yao’s package. Mutumbo now has his package and he has Mutumbo’s. It sucks because you can’t use it online or if you have downloaded their roster update.

Tim Duncan
His hook is normally a bank shot that doesn’t miss often and his fade away is HIS.

Dirk Nowitzki
He has that unusual “Dirk” fade away and his shots are signature to him.

Shaquille O’Neal
All of Shaq’s basic moves in the post are his own. It’s pretty neat to see actually.

Amare Stoudemire
He has that signature fade away of his and his power moves are harder to stop. (explained in Part 3: Advanced Post Moves)

Well now you have the basics to work with. Let me know what you think and be ready from Part Three soon…….

Originally Posted by Sovartus

The Post Game Tutorial
Part Three: Advanced Post Moves
By: Sovartus


Ok so you have the basics down now huh? Ok let’s get right into the advanced stuff.

Remember, all the moves are based on the fundamentals that were taught in Part one.
There are 5 advanced post moves that I use regularly but they are harder to pull off. Those are the up and under Lay-up, up and under jump shot, up and under hook shot, up and under fade away, and the power dunks. The most important thing to remember about doing these moves is positioning. When initiating these moves you have to make sure you know which direction is best to do it in. I’ll explain later.

Up and Under Moves
Up and Under Hook:
While backing the defender down tap the right stick to the left or right depending on which direction you want him to complete his move and then tap and hold it in the same direction again right after he starts the up animation. Let go of the right stick right when he steps forward and begins his hook motion.

Up and under lay-up:
While backing the defender down, tap the right stick to the direction you want to complete the move just like the U and U hook. Instead of taping the same direction, tap the opposite direction and hold it until you are ready to release the lay-up. It looks like he travels but if you look at the animation on replay, you will notice that her really only takes one step to the goal. This is the only post move that can draw a charge so be careful. This move is best done from the High post around the foul line as it will be a normal lay-up. Be careful not to start this move too close to the goal or he will go out of bounds or lay it up on the back of the backboard.

Up and Under Jump shot:
While backing the defender down, do the same up and under motion as before but tap and hold up (towards the goal) on the right stick the second time instead. You still have to time the jump shot right. This is good to throw the defense off. They will never know which post move to try to defend.

Up and under fade away:
While backing the defender down, do the same up and under motion as before but tap and hold down the second time on the right stick instead. You still have to time the shot.

On College hoops you can do a turn around fade away by backing a guy down and then tapping and holding the right stick diagonally down in the direction you want to go. It’s pretty sweet and certain players can do it on NBA 2K7 but I haven’t cared enough to find them all. I know of Tim Duncan, Zach Randolph, and Pau Gasol.

Power Dunks
This is the most sought after post move in 2K basketball games. It isn’t as effective in College hoops but some players can do it. I’ll explain the difference for college hoops as it does a totally new move on that game.

This is the most important thing to know about power dunks… pay attention…!!!!

1. You have to create a one on one situation for your post player.
2. You have to be ready to back them down immediately.
3. You have to start the move AS SOON AS YOU MAKE CONTACT WITH THE DEFENDER.!!!
Waiting to start the move will allow the defender’s low post defense to become a factor so do it quick.

How to do it:
As soon as you make back down contact, continue to hold the R Trigger, press and hold the Left Trigger and move the right stick to the left or right and hold it until you punish someone. You can’t control what move he does but odds are, it will be vicious.
Remember to watch where the defenders are positioned because it can make you miss your dunk if there are too many people down low. You also only want to try to pull this off when you are on the low block or in the middle of the paint around the dotted line.

** In College Hoops**
Doing this move will activate a shoulder fake and drop step to the direction you do it. Sometimes they will do more depending on the player’s ratings in the post.

Ok, now you have all the post moves but there is a little more to learn about it before you can truly master it all. We will discuss it in Part 4. Until then, let me know what you think about it all and email me about it.

Pretty helpful read. I didn't know how to activate triple threat. I would just drop step all the time. Cool post.

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