Does anybody else also think Watchmen is the best superhero movie ever made????

[C-Webb1987]

Yes better than The Dark Knight. Erghh I guess I will be the only one but still...
My opinion it's not only more beautiful visually (which is kind of obvious) but also is more subtle and has more substance to it. It is probably not so well written as TDK (although there were a few useless dumb jokes and few cliche phrases in it) and doesn't have as many great catch-words but it has a more sophisticated story-telling although which is probably some ppl didn't like it.
Watchmen is more bold and experimental than TDK and expands the boundaries of that new "dark & serious" tendency in superhero movies further than TDK did imo.

[nitelite]

Originally Posted by C-Webb1987

Yes better than The Dark Knight. Erghh I guess I will be the only one but still...
My opinion it's not only more beautiful visually (which is kind of obvious) but also is more subtle and has more substance to it. It is probably not so well written as TDK (although there were a few useless dumb jokes and few cliche phrases in it) and doesn't have as many great catch-words but it has a more sophisticated story-telling although which is probably some ppl didn't like it.
Watchmen is more bold and experimental than TDK and expands the boundaries of that new "dark & serious" tendency in superhero movies further than TDK did imo.

I'm with you in a lot of ways. It is probably in my top five films of 2009 so far. I love the movie. I think it has an Oscar worthy performance from Jackie Earle Haley and they translated the most poignant scenes of the film flawlessly to the screen (Dr. Manhatten on Mars is one of my favorite scenes of all time). Zach Snyder did a great job with the project and I think it's safe to say that it's critical and boxoffice reception did not do the film justice.

However, while I don't have any particular problems with these things, I do feel there was room for improvement in a few aspects. Watchmen follows the graphic novel TOO closely. Not all of Rorscach's dialogue sounds good on screen. I mean, it's called an adaptation for a reason....Same with certain shots...they don't all work well outside a comic book panel.

The fight scenes for Silk Spectre and Nite Owl should have been set up and executed better because there are times when it felt corney (her running and stepping on his back to leap into the air and kick someone...) . I think they also should have considered casting someone else for the roles of Silk Spectre I & II. Carla Gugino and Malin Akerman butchered a few lines...I mean it didn't ruin their scenes or anything. It would just be like an improvement in the same way Maggie Gyllenhaul was an improvement (acting wise) over Katie Holmes. And the music chosen for the sex scene between Nite Owl and Silk Spectre was AWFUL! It did not match the mood they set out to create.

The Dark Knight has it's problems as well, but those are fewer and more miniscule ones imo. For Watchmen, the opening credits are very impressive, the story is great, the acting is good, the special effects are top notch, and the film is very enjoyable to watch as a whole. I agree it is more daring and innovative, and sadly it got burned because of that innovation. You will never see any big-budgeted R-rated superhero films again...which is fine imo because if they are as edgy as TDK then it is not necessary. Watchmen NEEDED to be R-rated though.

I'm sure it will not get the respect it deserves...it will have it's fans and it's detractors (Spyda should be on here any moment to tear it down), but ultimately I feel it deserves a mention in the top three or four superhero movies (along with TDK, Batman Begins, Spiderman 2 [no Iron Man...the climax was too sloppy]).

[C-Webb1987]

Originally Posted by nitelite

I'm with you in a lot of ways. It is probably in my top five films of 2009 so far. I love the movie. I think it has an Oscar worthy performance from Jackie Earle Haley and they translated the most poignant scenes of the film flawlessly to the screen (Dr. Manhatten on Mars is one of my favorite scenes of all time). Zach Snyder did a great job with the project and I think it's safe to say that it's critical and boxoffice reception did not do the film justice.

agreed, practically all scenes with Dr.Manhatten were top notch

Originally Posted by nitelite

However, while I don't have any particular problems with these things, I do feel there was room for improvement in a few aspects. Watchmen follows the graphic novel TOO closely. Not all of Rorscach's dialogue sounds good on screen. I mean, it's called an adaptation for a reason....Same with certain shots...they don't all work well outside a comic book panel.

I have never read the novel nor even heard of it so everything was new and unpredictable to me like the twist in the ending and stuff...

Originally Posted by nitelite

The fight scenes for Silk Spectre and Nite Owl should have been set up and executed better because there are times when it felt corney (her running and stepping on his back to leap into the air and kick someone...) . I think they also should have considered casting someone else for the roles of Silk Spectre I & II. Carla Gugino and Malin Akerman butchered a few lines...I mean it didn't ruin their scenes or anything. It would just be like an improvement in the same way Maggie Gyllenhaul was an improvement (acting wise) over Katie Holmes. And the music chosen for the sex scene between Nite Owl and Silk Spectre was AWFUL! It did not match the mood they set out to create.

I actually thought that sex scene was one a few things (if not the only one) that weren't really needed in the movie, although I enjoyed it for clear reasons

Originally Posted by nitelite

The Dark Knight has it's problems as well, but those are fewer and more miniscule ones imo. For Watchmen, the opening credits are very impressive, the story is great, the acting is good, the special effects are top notch, and the film is very enjoyable to watch as a whole. I agree it is more daring and innovative, and sadly it got burned because of that innovation. You will never see any big-budgeted R-rated superhero films again...which is fine imo because if they are as edgy as TDK then it is not necessary. Watchmen NEEDED to be R-rated though.

my problems with TDK is that there were some really unnecessary scenes like these dumb kid jokes and some predictable cliche phrases as I've said. AND also it is strictly a Ledger/Joker movie and is carried by this lone character too much imo

Originally Posted by nitelite

I'm sure it will not get the respect it deserves...it will have it's fans and it's detractors (Spyda should be on here any moment to tear it down), but ultimately I feel it deserves a mention in the top three or four superhero movies (along with TDK, Batman Begins, Spiderman 2 [no Iron Man...the climax was too sloppy]).

firstly Spyda tears down everything lol
well and secondly speaking of my favourite superhero movies I would actually rate V for Vendetta as high as TDK if not higher so for me it's Watchmen, V/TDK, X-Men 2, Batman Begins, X-Men, Iron Man (didn't like any of Spiderman's movies as you know)

[dazpoo23]

Dr Manhattan is the precipise of any substance in watchmen. Every true moral dillemma and philosphical dramatic element revolve around manhattans' percieved thoughts.

i listened to a review by mark kermodde(hes pretty big in the uk) and he spoke of watchmen as; the 'citizen kane' of comic movies. Granted this is based primarily on the concept and structure of the story telling, but its a valid point.

outside of manhatton(i know im spelling that wrong), and the uncommon structure of the story, theres too mcuh to dislike about watchmen for me. The rape scene is very awkward to bear and rorshack was just bloody awfull.

Watchmen deserves alot more recognition. But i think your attempt to have it considered as "the best superhero movie evermade" has less to do with the movie, and more to do with thinking with the few.

[Imagodd99]

In the bottom 2.

[Tu5k15]

My favourite superhero movie also.Darker then The Dark Knight and Batman Begins,I liked it a lot more,I think comic book movies should be made exactly like the Watchmen.Jack Earl did a fantastic job with Rorschach,I liked the second Nite Owls costume,looked really cool,maybe in the third Batman they should make Batmans costume something like that.Silk Spectre 2 was HOT.The Dark Knight was awesome,I wont argue,the Joker was fantastic,but I think they could have showed more Batman,like in Batman Begins.I loved it that it was rated R,first time in a comic book movie you saw when a hero takes a knife and starts choping a mans skull,the movie was so violent,I loved it,the music choices at some points could have been better,but I still enjoyed it,the fighting scenes were awesome.

[Favre]

wow i found watchmen to be **** boring

[Fresh27]

i enjoyed watchmen a lot and its definately up there as one of the best superhero movies in my opinion. Theres been a lot of disapointing superhero movies that have come out over the last 10-15 years or so (mostly Marvel) but there is defiantely a select few that have what it takes to be considered great movies and worth of recognition when we all look back on the genre

[nmac]

Nope. And the only reason for that is that Watchmen is an almost frame to frame adaptation of the greatest graphic novel ever.

The Dark Knight is a movie that the director and writer came up with. The Joker as he is was not taken from a ready made template. Heath, Nolan and the script made up what is already an iconic villain portrayal. Every character in watchmen was there for the taking. Sure the actors did a great job but they weren't expected to explore the characters. They were just supposed to bring them to life which they did with varying results.

I would write more but here is my point- As a creative piece, TDK MOVIE is far ahead of the Watchmen MOVIE.

[WadeandTmac]

i fell asleep during the first 30 minutes