I no longer want to hear the "Lakers got lucky" whines again.

[fatboy_24!]

Originally Posted by franciscogarcia

lakers got ****ing lucky in fact. just to piss your cocky ass off, laters

who is this guy?

[nighthawk]

Originally Posted by Chronz

How good was the Lakers defense before Pau?

Also everything youve said contradicts what Tim Duncan and KG have said about his defense. Gasol played Rashard straight up, they only double Dwight because hes not very good at dealing with them.

obviously their defense wasn't as good as it is now seeing as they won the championchip this year with the addition of ariza and gasol who they didnt have two years ago.. but i think your missing my point that gasol isn't a great one on one defender and there are many reasons that sound lame but they are true... hes weaker than other PFs dwight, KG.. hes slower than other PFs... on offense hes a killer but on defence i wouldn't call gasol the lock down defender and there is no way he can stop dwight one on one...

[Chronz]

Originally Posted by nighthawk

obviously their defense wasn't as good as it is now seeing as they won the championchip this year with the addition of ariza and gasol who they didnt have two years ago.. but i think your missing my point that gasol isn't a great one on one defender and there are many reasons that sound lame but they are true... hes weaker than other PFs dwight, KG.. hes slower than other PFs... on offense hes a killer but on defence i wouldn't call gasol the lock down defender and there is no way he can stop dwight one on one...

Im not buying your argument, Ill trust my eyes and the word of great players. Gasol is a great 1 on 1 defender, for his size and length hes very quick and nimble, and hes not as weak as you think.

[nighthawk]

Originally Posted by Chronz

Im not buying your argument, Ill trust my eyes and the word of great players. Gasol is a great 1 on 1 defender, for his size and length hes very quick and nimble, and hes not as weak as you think.

in comparison to the rest of PFs in the league, he is among the weakest.... the only thing on his side his length.. no matter how quick you are if you're weak especially if your a forward or center, you cannot guard the bigger players and contain a player defensivley without help... gasol is a good team defender... saying he's a great one on one defender to me seems absurd...

its easy to guard howard because you know hes gonna try and dunk or score down low... thats why it seemed that gasol was holding up one on one... he never had to worry about him spotting up for a jumpshot...

[Jard]

Originally Posted by nighthawk

in comparison to the rest of PFs in the league, he is among the weakest.... the only thing on his side his length.. no matter how quick you are if you're weak especially if your a forward or center, you cannot guard the bigger players and contain a player defensivley without help... gasol is a good team defender... saying he's a great one on one defender to me seems absurd...

its easy to guard howard because you know hes gonna try and dunk or score down low... thats why it seemed that gasol was holding up one on one... he never had to worry about him spotting up for a jumpshot...

Got to agree fully with the Chronz.
Don't tell me y'all weren't saying Dwight was going to destroy the lakers inside (considering Bynum = foul trouble).
I remember plenty people saying these teams could not guard eachother straight up beforehand (kobe-pietrus, rashard-gasol dwight-gasol gasol-rashard etc) and somehow, someway, while playing the dude Single coverage most of the time, Howard was playing far below his average.

And to the immature dudes taking down DWIGHT HOWARD's post game to make a point and say Pau Gasol is a weak defender?
WTF is wrong with you, he's one of the most dominant centers in the game and absolutely destroys single handed coverages, he doesn't even need his decent arsenal of post moves, he just gets his 20-20 and sh*ts all over you, he's a big time all star and a leading MVP candidate for a reason, that's not just his defensive presence.

The only players that could contain him this PO were Perkins and Gasol IMO and those were pretty much the only defenders I saw playing him straight up.
The fact that Cleveland doubled pretty much everything (they had to, he was giving Z etc. the bussiness) gave the magic a lot of great open looks which pushed orlando over the edge.

And y'all are missing the point anyway, defense is not a 1-1 thing and pau gasol is just one of the better defensive big men in the game today, period.
This was only a response to the dude trying to make up for the trade saying that Gasol sucked defensively on the pick/roll and that he was an awfull defender in general, while he's proven to be an excellent rotating center with his length and quickness and can also play the likes of Howard straight up.

However, the trade is not as onesided as the media and you guys are making out to be.
Gasol was going nowhere with memphis and memphis needed a younger core, which is exactly what they got with Gasol's brother (he's a studd), Crit (who kinda disappointed me), a soon to expire kwame brown AND two first round draft picks.

Could they have gotten better? Yes, definately, but in no way was this a gift.

KILL EM CHRONZ

[Skywalker]

Originally Posted by fatboy_24!

who is this guy?

[nighthawk]

Originally Posted by Jard

Got to agree fully with the Chronz.
Don't tell me y'all weren't saying Dwight was going to destroy the lakers inside (considering Bynum = foul trouble).
I remember plenty people saying these teams could not guard eachother straight up beforehand (kobe-pietrus, rashard-gasol dwight-gasol gasol-rashard etc) and somehow, someway, while playing the dude Single coverage most of the time, Howard was playing far below his average.

im assuming only the first paragraph was a response to me...

well im not one of those people who said they couldnt guard each other.. i thought magic were going to win because of dwight finding open looks for his team mates by drawing double teams which he did!! ... i do not recall gasol taking full responsibility of guarding dwight because like iv already said, he cant guard dwight one on one coz dwight is too strong and fast..
so no.. he wasnt playin him single coverage most of the time... dont exaggerate

[Chronz]

Originally Posted by nighthawk

in comparison to the rest of PFs in the league, he is among the weakest.... the only thing on his side his length.. no matter how quick you are if you're weak especially if your a forward or center, you cannot guard the bigger players and contain a player defensivley without help... gasol is a good team defender...

Youve got it twisted my friend, Pau is a better man defender than he is a team defender, its his main problem, and something the coaching staff has stressed over and over. They constantly have to ride him about it, how do you not know this.

saying he's a great one on one defender to me seems absurd..

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Apparently not to Duncan, I value his opinion on this matter more than yours.

its easy to guard howard because you know hes gonna try and dunk or score down low... thats why it seemed that gasol was holding up one on one... he never had to worry about him spotting up for a jumpshot...

Analyze his defensive possessions on route to the Finals last year when he actually had to guard someone every series. He clamped down on every PF he faced.

[srtfinest]

what the lakers championship slogan for the 2009-10 repeat..after Kobe gets ring number 5 ...Jordan lovers will try to kill KOBE lol..and that includes David Stern

[nighthawk]

Originally Posted by Chronz

Youve got it twisted my friend, Pau is a better man defender than he is a team defender, its his main problem, and something the coaching staff has stressed over and over. They constantly have to ride him about it, how do you not know this.

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Apparently not to Duncan, I value his opinion on this matter more than yours.


Analyze his defensive possessions on route to the Finals last year when he actually had to guard someone every series. He clamped down on every PF he faced.

fine... il pay more attention to his defense next year and il make up my mind then haha.. thers no winning with you chronz