Obama: Kobe or Mike

[mixtapelive]

Originally Posted by Phamous

Can't really compare Jordan to Kobe anymore. Kobe is past his prime. He may of won a NBA Finals MVP and a ring, but that was against an Orlando squad that was not ready. Plus he had too many role players in his team (Gasol, Odom, Bynum, Ariza, Fisher). He has always had tons of supporting players with him whenever he won a championship. Jordan is god, Kobe is lucky.

there goes the credibility of your post/opinion/etc...

Originally Posted by Sixto Freed

well we can't talk about legacy yet because kobe has some years left to prove many things

but as a bball player comparing them

jordan on his prime is waaaaaaaaaay ahead of kobe's prime

now kobe looks more like a 90s-2000's mj and well his game is very polished but overall taking in consideration mj play trough all his career he's truly ahead of kobe and kobe won't ever surpass him as a team or individual or defensive player, the only category where kobe is near jodan is at offense and still mj was much more of a juggernaut at that..

i understand that most of the youngsters these days are fully supporting kobe greatness because they grew in this era and they have seen the formation of his legacy but as a follower of mj trough the years and since his early years, the comparison becomes so small, still kobe has still room and time to crack in the top 10 all time when his career ends

90s and 200's thats a whole decade and more lol (MJ didn't win a chip till 90s anyways)

when would you define as MJs prime?

MJ was hands down the more mature player when both players came into the league. Kobe came into the league at 18, MJ at 21 and 3 years of college experience which made him more ready for the game.

both players had different types of careers which is something people don't mention too much.. Kobe started out on a laker team with 3 other all-stars, then had to play along-side a shaq at the top of his game and in his prime so obviously he had to take the co-captain role.. MJ was the man on his team for day 1 and on which is why individually MJs stats overwhelm Kobe's.. if kobe started out like MJ did, there's no doubt in my mind that kobe would have atleast 5 more seasons of 30+ PPG averages, and etc... some people might say in that case you can take away the 3 championships from kobe and yes, you can say that, but then again, you have to think.. this is the Lakers, they're always a contending team, the lakers would've added some pieces along-side kobe to be a contending team so he might been able to win a championship on his own..

Kobe's an elite defender, but not like MJ.. that's one thing MJ clearly has over Kobe, however Kobe does lock down players whenever he wants to. (and the new rules works against kobe's favor)

Team-wise, kobe came in to the league immature, then had to play along-side shaq, so he had to share stardom.. MJ had his own team from the gettgo... If MJ had to play co-captain to another player and be considered the 2nd option I'm sure he would'nt have liked that either.. and would've caused some internal problems.. that's the reason why people label kobe as a bad teammate, but if you're a player thriving to be the best, you wouldn't want to settle as being a 2nd option either.. Look at kobe now, he's been as good of a leader as mj ever was.. and yeah the way kobe treats his teammates on the court isn't the best way, but MJ did the exact same to his teammates.

offensively, MJ was more atheltic, and made smarter decisions.. however Kobe is sligthly the better offensive player, and a lot of players, people in the media and even phil jackson admitted to that during the 06-07 season, not to mention kobe's done things even MJ hasn't done offensively (this statement alone is going to get 234954935 replies loll)

MJ never lost in the finals, that's a flawless feat.. the Bulls were always the better team going into the finals and they took care of business once they got there..

Kobe's lost in the finals twice.. against the Celtics, the Celtics were clearly the better team. Against the pistons however, lakers were clearly the better team, however that team wasn't much of a team, rather 4 individuals trying to get themselves a ring.. not to mention kobe trying to do too much and trying hard to get the finals MVP honors instead of shaq, which killed it even more for the lakers.

all that being said, MJ is still clearly the better player.. but kobe has 4 good years left in him, and after that another 2-3 effective years so you never know what might happen.. MJ won his last title at age 36.. Kobe has 5 more years till then.. he can win another 2-4 championships till then, or he can get injured tomorrow and will be all over.. this debate will never end unfortunately, but I wish we can just hold it off till kobe's retired from the NBA

[SmartBum]

Everyone is like Obama's right, Obama's right!

But not many people were saying that when he said Kobe was the best in the game today..

[detrimental]

Originally Posted by Redline

after being pressed repeatedly to choose one he said:


He originally wouldn't choose either. Kind of strange that he wouldn't just take Michael straight up since they were comrades for so many years

Pip is just tired of being asked. He's been confronted with the question in every interview he's had for the last 4 years. Now he's just succumbed to the cop out.

[Billy32]

Eh at least the president has a brain.

[seewebb]

Originally Posted by ClipperNation14

This conversation is going to get interesting soon. I have no doubts Kobe will reach at least 6 rings before he retires.

I personally couldn't care if he won 10 championships, individually he'll never be better.

[flawless victory]

Jordan wasn't even the best player on his own team, let alone of all-time. Scottie Pippen was the true LEADER of those Bulls championship teams. FACT

[detrimental]

Originally Posted by flawless victory

Jordan wasn't even the best player on his own team, let alone of all-time. Scottie Pippen was the true LEADER of those Bulls championship teams. FACT

Great point.

[kaiji88]

Originally Posted by mixtapelive

there goes the credibility of your post/opinion/etc...





90s and 200's thats a whole decade and more lol (MJ didn't win a chip till 90s anyways)

when would you define as MJs prime?

MJ was hands down the more mature player when both players came into the league. Kobe came into the league at 18, MJ at 21 and 3 years of college experience which made him more ready for the game.

both players had different types of careers which is something people don't mention too much.. Kobe started out on a laker team with 3 other all-stars, then had to play along-side a shaq at the top of his game and in his prime so obviously he had to take the co-captain role.. MJ was the man on his team for day 1 and on which is why individually MJs stats overwhelm Kobe's.. if kobe started out like MJ did, there's no doubt in my mind that kobe would have atleast 5 more seasons of 30+ PPG averages, and etc... some people might say in that case you can take away the 3 championships from kobe and yes, you can say that, but then again, you have to think.. this is the Lakers, they're always a contending team, the lakers would've added some pieces along-side kobe to be a contending team so he might been able to win a championship on his own..

Kobe's an elite defender, but not like MJ.. that's one thing MJ clearly has over Kobe, however Kobe does lock down players whenever he wants to.

Team-wise, kobe came in to the league immature, then had to play along-side shaq, so he had to share stardom.. MJ had his own team from the gettgo... If MJ had to play co-captain to another player and be considered the 2nd option I'm sure he would'nt have liked that either.. and would've caused some internal problems.. that's the reason why people label kobe as a bad teammate, but if you're a player thriving to be the best, you wouldn't want to settle as being a 2nd option either.. Look at kobe now, he's been as good of a leader as mj ever was.. and yeah the way kobe treats his teammates on the court isn't the best way, but MJ did the exact same to his teammates.

offensively, MJ was more atheltic, and made smarter decisions.. however Kobe is sligthly the better offensive player, and a lot of players, people in the media and even phil jackson admitted to that during the 06-07 season, not to mention kobe's done things even MJ hasn't done offensively (this statement alone is going to get 234954935 replies loll)

MJ never lost in the finals, that's a flawless feat.. the Bulls were always the better team going into the finals and they took care of business once they got there..

Kobe's lost in the finals twice.. against the Celtics, the Celtics were clearly the better team. Against the pistons however, lakers were clearly the better team, however that team wasn't much of a team, rather 4 individuals trying to get themselves a ring.. not to mention kobe trying to do too much and trying hard to get the finals MVP honors instead of shaq, which killed it even more for the lakers.

all that being said, MJ is still clearly the better player.. but kobe has 4 good years left in him, and after that another 2-3 effective years so you never know what might happen.. MJ won his last title at age 36.. Kobe has 5 more years till then.. he can win another 2-4 championships till then, or he can get injured tomorrow and will be all over.. this debate will never end unfortunately, but I wish we can just hold it off till kobe's retired from the NBA

Good points. But about being a good defender, Kobe is as good of a defender he ever can be for a SG. Theres no way to play perimeter D the way they did back then and no way to lock players down the way they did back then.

[DaGettoMan]

Well Kobe looked verryyyyy mature in the Finals game, and through the whole season. Don't forget MJ had one of the best side-kicks ever, probably the best ever, in Scottie Pippen. He could do everything Jordan did, only he didn't shoot it as good as MJ did, and he wasn't that good of a creator for himself. MJ > Kobe right now though, but I see a lot of similarites in both of their teams. Big, strong players, a PG who can flat out shoot (Fisher/Harper/Paxson). Well Harper couldn't shoot that well, but he played on both the Bulls and the Lakers teams. Go-to-guy at SG, versitale players at SF, Odom and Pippen. PF, either Grant, Kukoc, Longley, Gasol, a guy like Josh Powell. Players who can shoot, who can pass, who are willing to take less shots and who can rebound, if you throw in Rodman. Both played the triangle, both could close out games. Long players, you know, just look at both teams. Not that deep of benches, only a few players who could score real big, not a very deep bench. Defensive minded teams, who love to play the break though. The full-court trap. Of course some things aren't able of being compared, but the overall look, it looks very simalar.

[mixtapelive]

Originally Posted by DaGettoMan

Well Kobe looked verryyyyy mature in the Finals game, and through the whole season. Don't forget MJ had one of the best side-kicks ever, probably the best ever, in Scottie Pippen. He could do everything Jordan did, only he didn't shoot it as good as MJ did, and he wasn't that good of a creator for himself. MJ > Kobe right now though, but I see a lot of similarites in both of their teams. Big, strong players, a PG who can flat out shoot (Fisher/Harper/Paxson). Well Harper couldn't shoot that well, but he played on both the Bulls and the Lakers teams. Go-to-guy at SG, versitale players at SF, Odom and Pippen. PF, either Grant, Kukoc, Longley, Gasol, a guy like Josh Powell. Players who can shoot, who can pass, who are willing to take less shots and who can rebound, if you throw in Rodman. Both played the triangle, both could close out games. Long players, you know, just look at both teams. Not that deep of benches, only a few players who could score real big, not a very deep bench. Defensive minded teams, who love to play the break though. The full-court trap. Of course some things aren't able of being compared, but the overall look, it looks very simalar.

I don't know about that, Kobe - Shaq, Kareem - Magic, David Robinson - Tim Duncan to name a few..

and Pippen could do everything Jordan did? even if he could do things Jordan did, Jordan did it way better.. you're giving pippen a little too much credit btw